Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

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Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Jarron » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:47 am

A lot of data on the board and internet but imo nothing definitive. It appears mostly speculation with a few people doing parses, some of it is outdated. Could the vets (particularly the community reps) kindly post the current state of affairs with haste and archery? There were quiver fixes etc. that I can't seem to follow.

Here's what I've gleaned:

- Archery haste = worn haste + quiver haste + spell haste + v3 haste.
- Quiver haste is 1/4 of the WR of the quiver (PFQ = 90% WR = 22.5% haste, FQ = 60% WR = 15% haste)
- Bow delay get 0.2 seconds added for using /autofire, so add 2 to delay value.

Questions:
1) can Quiver haste take you into overhaste territory?
2) my current bow is 24 delay. Would a 205% haste (my standard combat) effectively bring me to:

24
------------------
100 + worn + quiver + spell + v3


24
-----------------
100 + 40 + 22.5 + 60 + 5

24
-----------------
227.5

= 0.105 + 0.002 x 100 = 10.7 effective delay?

And thus Bow of the Destroyer (17 delay) is effectively 7.7 effective delay?

And range items with 15 delay are effectively 6.8 effective delay?


3) does quiver haste affect thrown daggers?
4) is there a cap on archery haste? what is it?
5) do you need 2 arrows for bow haste to work? 1 in the ammo, 1 in the quiver?
6) does quiver still need to be in the first inventory slot to give you haste? ie. top left.

Thanks for all input.
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Gringo » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:06 pm

Quiver haste is not additive like worn + spell + v3; it is a separate delay reduction. So you still get benefit from it if you are already at 225% haste.

For a 24 delay bow with 205% haste and PFQ it would look like (without trickshot aa):
(240/205) * (1-.225) + 0.2 = 1.107 seconds per shot
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Jarron » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:40 am

Thanks Gringo, you appear to be the resident expert http://www.eqoutrider.net/eqforums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5204 on bow haste what with all the parses you've done.

Regarding your post on ZAM in July 2010 where you say,

"Also as of the date of this post, this quiver does absolutely nothing in many/most situations. If the result of the formula I posted above is below 1.0 with your bow delay, haste and quiver weight reduction combination, quiver haste has no effect at all. For example a 25 delay bow with haste higher than 213% will cause Fleeting Quiver to have no effect. If you have a 30 delay bow or higher(which is somewhat uncommon today), Prescient Fleeting Quiver will work at all haste levels. I am currently using a Jeweled Quiver of the Hand(35% WR) with my 25 delay bow because it is significantly faster than Fleeting or Prescient Fleeting Quiver at 216% and 225% haste."

I'm assuming this is what was fixed in Jan 2012, no doubt because of your efforts. Did you run additional parses to confirm they fixed everything? What quiver do you use now?
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Astroshak » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:37 pm

It was fixed, and it was posted to one of the Test Patch discussions threads currently awaiting deletion in the EQLive archives. Gringo, or someone, parsed and posted results there.

General summary : they finally fixed Quiver Haste, and assigned a "minium" delay to your archery attacks - but it is low enough that only the 17 delay Bow of the Destroyer (and some bow you're only likely to find on the FV server) can hit it - assuming maximum haste, and a Prescient Fleeting Quiver. "Minimum" is in quotes, though, because Hundred Hands Effect from a Beastlord, bard, or a zerker's Warcry can and will bring you under that "minimum" delay.
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Gladare » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:13 pm

Wasnt me. I forget who posted it, though I reckon it doesn't matter. Gringo deserves any credit for the fix.
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Astroshak » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:49 pm

Y'know .. I was THINKING Gringo, I have no idea why I put your name there, Gladare .. its fixed.
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Bolverkr » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:39 pm

" - Quiver haste is 1/4 of the WR of the quiver "

Was this changed? I have been under the impression since I started that it was 1/3...
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Re: Archery haste, dispelling the myths?

Postby Astroshak » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:42 pm

It was originally stated to be 1/3 ... but parsing has shown it t be 1/4.
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